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Jenny's avatar

So what is the coherent theory of change here? If we are all saved what keeps church abuse from happening?

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Jaime Vargas's avatar

Adding on to what another commenter posted, I have two questions:

1. If Jesus has already saved everyone, irrespective of works to merit said salvation or even our consent to receive said salvation, then what is the impetus, the motivation, the power that changes us to become conformed to the image of Christ, as Paul states? Not saying we ought to do good IN ORDER to be saved. I also think that's wrong. But I'm curious how you would frame your reasoning for why we ought to be conformed to Christ AKA live as He does and do as He did.

2. If everyone is already saved, how are we to make sense of and view ongoing evil, both out of the church but especially IN the church? Wouldn't this put us back in the same issue as Justification Theory where the wrongdoer is off the hook since, after all, God loves him and already saved him?

3. If everyone is ALREADY saved, how, if at all possible, do people end up not in eternal relationship with Christ, as many NT authors explicitly and implicitly suggest? If God saves us all and will eventually bring us with Him into the "new heaven and new earth" apart from ANYTHING we do, is not this just Calvinist predestination all over again with some universalism sprinkled in? God ends up not respecting our freedom?

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